Are You a Chieftain or a Celebrity?
Just this month, I joined Valeria Maltoni (@ConversationAge) on Twitter as a co-host for the weekly hashtag chat #Kaizenblog. The focus of the conversation is the big picture of your business and how you strategize and think about it in a more global manner. We meet every Friday at 12pm ET/5pm GMT to discuss topics ranging from designing business plans to evaluating ideas that you want to take to market.
The word, kaizen, is Japanese and is a process in which one seeks continuous improvement in all aspects of one’s life. Check out this post by Valeria which explains it quite well here.
Which leads us to this week’s topic:
Is the difference between tribes or fans important to your business?
To be honest, I don’t have an answer so here are some thoughts to begin the conversation for this week’s chat on #Kaizenblog.
Seth Godin put this idea into play for most of us. Mainly marketing professionals were talking about this first but Seth Godin expanded the idea of tribes into a larger conversation with his book, Tribes. He defines a tribe as “a group of people connected to one another, connected to a leader, and connected to an idea.” He goes on to challenge all of us to be a leader of some kind. We can lead our tribes alone or as co-leaders. He is really calling us all out to lead a movement.
But I run a business, I’m not an activist! Oh really?! If you are an entrepreneur, you are more activist than you could imagine! Entrepreneurs are all about changing the world. Take a moment and think what you wrote in your executive summary. I’ve worked with business owners who are on fire about keeping your electronic data secure, teaching young children to love learning, and to support you communicating with others on the Internet. As I write this, I think of current and past clients who are game changers for their industries. Everything they do, everything they create has to be tied back to their value system and executive summary because it is going to change how we know the world.
But are you creating a tribe or a group of fans? Valeria Maltoni at Conversation Agent has a great post
of how Ducati has created a tribe that centers around its motorbikes. It made a huge difference when the company was struggling for survival. But what is your story? Who are your evangelists?
If you are a chieftain, what does your tribe look like? Maybe it’s really about being part bard as well. You tell and sing the story of your Big Idea and inspire others to make it part of their lifestyle. You engage in conversation with these aficionados and discover you are inspired as well. The story deepens and has less and less to do with you. It is more about the glue your business is providing with your products and services. The people in the conversation talk with you and, just as importantly, with each other.
What if you are a celebrity? Perhaps this is about personality (not necessarily your personality, remember your business is its own entity) and less about connecting people to one another. There is still immense value in your products or services but it’s handled differently. People become fans because they love what you provide. Inspiration can still happen but it seems more by example than by mutual discovery.
Does it really matter to your business if you have a tribe or fans?
Do you believe there is a difference?
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Since Valeria’s two posts on tribe marketing I have been trying to define the difference between Celebrity and Chieftain as you call it; and how do you get to be a tribe?
Tribes I have identified are Airstream, Harley Davidson (mentioned in my comment on Valeria’s post) and Ducati as covered in the actual first post. I think “dead heads” qualify, but how about the Beetles, the Rolling Stones or Elvis? Maybe Elvis? How about some of the modern groups of performers? I don’t think the iphone is a tribe as I know three people in the last ten days that have given it up and gone back to their BBs; yet the iphone has zillions of users / fans but not (IMO) tribe loyalty …… is the key an undivided loyalty issue? And if so how do you attract such loyalty? Should Apple be a tribe, and is the fact of its internal ” what do you call it” culture a deterrent? Do Airstream, Harley, Ducati, “dead heads”, Elvis all have “freedom” as a thread of similarity? Is the Apple culture lacking in freedom? Interesting!
For the small business it’s probably not an issue whether tribe follower loyalty or zillions of loyal fans. If you have lots of paying clients or customers …… that’s great. However to a major brand it could be important to know how to achieve or create that special magic of being a tribe.
This was a great follow on post to Valeria’s two posts and I look forward to what the chat participants have to say in #kaizenblog on Friday.
CASUDI,
I have to agree with your take on Apple (it’s also Valeria’s assessment). If tribes are about an idea and mututal interaction, then Apple is missing both. This is not to take away from their skill at creating cool products (I do love my iPod!) but they fail to connect with their followers beyond the coolness factor.
Rock bands, hip hop artists, and other musicians could go either way, depending on who they are. The Grateful Dead? Oh yes! The Stones? Not really. How do they create a lifestyle and community? They are still phenomenally important to rock and roll’s history. The Beatles…hmm…harder to say. They have had an amazing influence on song writers! Is that their tribe? Elvis…well, does passionate loyalty and desire to commemorate and borrow his image build a tribe?
Small businesses can create tribes and fans. I think we spend an inordinate amount of time focusing on major brands like Starbucks, Apple, and Harley Davidson. It’s time to consider the backbone of most economies and how they have capacity to influence so many people.
~Elli
To me fans are a group that share a common interest, but they are not connected among themselves like a tribe is. The words give it away – a fan is a single, a tribe is many.
You can find more tribal aspects in a free e-book I contributed to, http://bit.ly/8Dg3oV
CoCreatr,
Thanks for your comment and the link to the ebook. Yes, there is singular experience for fans that is not experienced by a tribe. This isn’t good or bad. It has everything to do with what you’re desiring to achieve with your business.
~Elli
Elli, great post but gotta disagree about Apple’s tribalness. I think Apple is a tribe and cool is its war cry. If tribe = leader + idea + followers then Apple is tribe with a capital T. Think about it. When Apple got big, got corporate and lost Jobs, Apple lost its tribal mojo and its cool. When Jobs came back, when the Chief returned, the tribe left the reservation, metaphorically speaking, and went on the warpath taking scalps and counting coup.
PC buyers will settle for any old PC that meets their price/performance objectives. Apple users will generally only settle for Apple. PC users will often covet their neighbors Mac but I’ve never seen anybody salivate over my Dell/Gateway/Micron/IBM or whatever other model I happened to be toting at the time.
iPads are the latest arrow in the Apple quiver I’ve seen them described as computers that don’t do anything well and yet they blew away by several multiples their opening day/week/month sales projections. If that’s not a tribe on a rampage then what is?
Keep in mind that a primary characteristic of Native American tribes was small size, high mobility, and nomadic freedom. The European settlers believed in safety in numbers, putting down roots and trading freedom for security. As the corporation scales it’s hard, often impossible, to scale its tribalness as well; it becomes assimilated. Think of Intuit – used to be loved, now it’s more likely hated (ask my accountant wife). I think Apple with Sitting Bull, er Steve Jobs, in charge and it’s fanatical devotion to the idea and embodiment of cool even if it means sacrificing a bit of utility, does tribe about as well as anyone and certainly better than any other $40 billion dollar company in existence.
Tom,
You may have a point but if we go with Seth Godin’s definition of a tribe, how is Apple a movement? Is cool the ultimate way? Are the customers forming groups and conversations among themselves? Is Apple having a 2 way conversation with it customers? Their commitment to secrecy would preclude many of the aspects that could move them into a tribe. The customers are passionate and look forward to every new offering with long lines to have the 1st one. However, they are passionate fans.
~Elli
Apple may not be a perfect tribe, but who is? Take a look at Seth Godin’s presentation on Tribes at TED (http://bit.ly/bfZWFP). At the 10 minute mark he actually spotlights Steve Job and Bill Gates as ‘Tribal Leaders’. Further on the talks about how these successful leaders, “Tell a Story >> Connect a Tribe >> Lead a Movement >> Make Change”. I gotta tell you, when I consider the impact that Steve Jobs has had on personal computing and the way we share information (iTunes) in general and the way he’s garnered a fanatical following while turning industries on their head speaks of Tribe to me… To restate an earlier point: Apple led by Steve Jobs, tribe; Apple led by anyone else, not a tribe.
Tom,
Missed that presentation by Seth Godin (feeling sheepish). Thanks for sharing link.
You might have a point and are perhaps persuading me to your view. Certainly Steve Jobs is a major piece of why Apple is successful but that comes back to my point about celebrity. Granted Apple has changed how we think about computing for in terms of how we interface with the machines and even what these machines can look like. But…without Steve Jobs, who carries on the coolness factor. Consider Harley Davidson as a tribe. Do owners of these motorcycles really care who is the CEO or do they care about the bike, the riding club, the biker gear, etc.?
~Elli
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